Legislature(2015 - 2016)CAPITOL 17

03/12/2015 01:00 PM House TRANSPORTATION



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01:10:01 PM Start
01:10:16 PM Presentation: Nome Port Expansion
02:28:21 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
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+ Nome Port Expansion TELECONFERENCED
Presentation:
"Army Corps of Engineers" by Bruce Sexauer,
Chief of Planning, Civil Works Branch & Lorraine
Cordova, Economics Team Lead
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                         March 12, 2015                                                                                         
                           1:10 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Shelley Hughes, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                                    
Representative Matt Claman                                                                                                      
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Charisse Millett                                                                                                 
Representative Benjamin Nageak                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION:  PORT OF NOME                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE SEXAUER, Alaska District Branch Chief                                                                                     
US Army Corps of Engineers (USACE)                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a PowerPoint presentation on the                                                                
proposed Nome Port Expansion Project.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DENISE MICHELS, Mayor                                                                                                           
City of Nome                                                                                                                    
Nome, Alaska                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the presentation on the                                                                 
proposed Nome Port Expansion Project.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JOY BAKER, Port Director                                                                                                        
Port of Nome                                                                                                                    
Nome, Alaska                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the presentation on the                                                                 
Nome Port Expansion Project                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JEFF OTTESEN, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Program Development                                                                                                 
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities (DOT&PF)                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified during  the presentation  on the                                                             
Nome Port Expansion Project.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:10:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  NEAL FOSTER  called the  House Transportation  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to order at  1:10 p.m.  Representatives Claman,                                                               
Stutes, Hughes,  and Foster  were present at  the call  to order.                                                               
Representative Ortiz arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:10:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:  NOME PORT EXPANSION                                                                                             
               PRESENTATION:  NOME PORT EXPANSION                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
1:10:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FOSTER announced  that the only order  of business would                                                               
be a presentation on the  proposed Nome Port Expansion Project by                                                               
the US Army Corps of Engineers (USACE).                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:10:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE SEXAUER,  Alaska District  Branch Chief,  US Army  Corps of                                                               
Engineers  (USACE),  said  he   appreciated  the  opportunity  to                                                               
present  a  PowerPoint  on the  Arctic  Deep-Draft  Arctic  Ports                                                               
Navigation Feasibility  Study.  He  stated that the  Alaska Deep-                                                               
Draft Arctic Port Study got its  initiation in the early 2000s to                                                               
examine the cost  of fishing in Alaska.  The  USACE asked to have                                                               
the  scope broadened  to  review  navigational issues  throughout                                                               
Alaska, which  led to a  series of  meetings that pointed  to the                                                               
need for navigation permits in the  Arctic.  In 2007, the US Army                                                               
Corps  of Engineers  entered into  a cost-sharing  agreement with                                                               
the Alaska  Department of Transportation  & Public  Facilities to                                                               
examine  the  need for  deep  draft  port infrastructure  in  the                                                               
Arctic.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:12:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.    SEXAUER     recognized    Lorraine     Cordova,    Project                                                               
Manager/Economist,  Mike   Lukshin,  P.E.,  Ports   and  Harbors,                                                               
Department of  Transportation & Public Facilities,  who serves as                                                               
the state's project manager for  the proposed Nome Port Expansion                                                               
Project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:12:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  stated that the City  of Nome has been  very helpful                                                               
in providing  significant data and information  for this project.                                                               
The US Corps of Engineers'  (USACE) authority for its involvement                                                               
in navigation  is provided by  the Interstate Commerce  clause of                                                               
the US Constitution, which states  that interstate commerce shall                                                               
not  be  impeded.   He  identified  the  US Corps  of  Engineers'                                                               
mission, which  is to improve navigational  efficiency throughout                                                               
the  waterways of  the  United  States.   In  1970, the  Congress                                                               
granted the  USACE the ability  to review any waterway  in Alaska                                                               
contingent upon funds being appropriated  for a specific purpose.                                                               
The US Congress has appropriated funds  for the USACE to review a                                                               
wide variety of items, including examination of the Arctic.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:13:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HUGHES wondered  whether  any  funds were  appropriated                                                               
between 1970 and 2007 to study ports along this coastal area.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SEXAUER  answered  that  the  USACE  has  generalized  study                                                               
authority  to look  at  any port  after  the Congress  authorizes                                                               
funding.   Thus the USACE has  reviewed a wide variety  of ports,                                                               
ranging from Unalaska, Juneau, and Nome.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:14:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HUGHES said she was  primarily interested in funds for a                                                               
port  in  Western  Alaska.    She asked  whether  the  USACE  has                                                               
received funds  prior to 2000  for work in  the Nome area  and if                                                               
the  work  was  primarily  designated   for  work  in  Southeast,                                                               
Southcentral, or the Aleutians.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  answered that  each one of  the funding  streams was                                                               
designated for  a specific area.   He reported  that navigational                                                               
improvements in  Nome were  studied in the  1980s, which  lead to                                                               
the construction of the project in  2006.  In fact, the USACE has                                                               
a long  standing history with  Nome, almost 100 years  of history                                                               
with  Nome, with  the first  US Army  Corps of  Engineers (USACE)                                                               
project  constructed  in  Nome  in  1917.   The  USACE  uses  its                                                               
authority as one of the  tools, along with the appropriations, to                                                               
allow the agency to move forward on projects.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:15:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HUGHES  asked if this  is the first  public presentation                                                               
or if the USACE has given other presentations on this topic.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  answered that he  has given a few  press interviews,                                                               
noting  a wide  variety of  people have  expressed interest.   He                                                               
stated that the  USACE plans on holding a public  meeting in Nome                                                               
in April to solicit comments,  but this presentation today is the                                                               
first truly public forum since the study has been released.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:16:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  stated that  the need for  Arctic port  facility was                                                               
identified and  in 2011,  the USACE  entered into  a cost-sharing                                                               
agreement.   He directed attention to  the map on slide  2, which                                                               
highlighted the  wide area the  US Corps of  Engineers considered                                                               
for a deep-draft  port, ranging from the mouth  of the Kuskokwim,                                                               
to the  northern border  between Alaska and  Canada.   During the                                                               
process, the  USACE reviewed how  close these ports were  to deep                                                               
water,   natural    resources,   and    existing   transportation                                                               
infrastructure.   This  process allowed  the USACE  to develop  a                                                               
list of  the best locations,  including identifying the  Nome and                                                               
Port Clarence area as the most effective first spot.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER turned  to "Project Need" [slide 4].   He stated that                                                               
the USACE has reviewed the  increased vessel traffic coupled with                                                               
limited   marine  infrastructure   along  Alaska's   Western  and                                                               
Northern  shores   since  it  poses   risks  for   accidents  and                                                               
incidents, increases  response times  for search and  rescue, and                                                               
requires international  coordination.   This relates not  only to                                                               
vessel traffic  in the  area, but to  the international  fleet of                                                               
vessels that  transit the  area.   This proposed  deep-draft port                                                               
project won't necessarily  be located where raw oil  or goods are                                                               
transported  although a  port facility  could support  and assist                                                               
oil  platforms restock  their supplies,  transport  fuel to  help                                                               
reduce fuel costs to outlying  villages, bring in more vessels to                                                               
improve  search  and  rescue,   and  also  support  international                                                               
activities in the Bering Sea.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:19:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HUGHES  asked for  specific statistics  in terms  of the                                                               
rate  of  growth  for  vessel traffic  and  where  these  vessels                                                               
initiate travel and their destination.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  answered yes.   He  said that  just after  the USACE                                                               
finished with  its 2006 harbor  improvements in Nome,  Nome began                                                               
to experience  vessels anchoring out  because the docks  were too                                                               
crowded or there wasn't sufficient  depth.  The number of vessels                                                               
needing to  anchor out has  steadily increased to the  point that                                                               
hundreds of vessels per season  anchor out awaiting access to the                                                               
Nome port  facility.   In terms of  vessels transiting  the area,                                                               
the USACE  has tracked Russia's  permits, which has grown  from a                                                               
few to hundreds  of permits per year.  He  anticipated that those                                                               
figures will  continue to grow, depending  on resource extraction                                                               
and  ice conditions.   At  current  levels, there  was already  a                                                               
great need for improved port facilities.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:21:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER directed attention a map  of the Nome area [slide 5].                                                               
Once  the USACE  identified the  Nome/Port Clarence  area as  the                                                               
first spot  to develop  port infrastructure,  in 2013  the agency                                                               
held a charrette, or an  intense planning session to identify any                                                               
problems,  methodology, and  alternatives, which  essentially has                                                               
provided  the foundation  for the  planning process.   The  USACE                                                               
also  identified 11  or so  potential sites  around the  Nome and                                                               
Port Clarence  area, including Cape Nome,  Point Spencer, Teller,                                                               
and Cape Riley  for development.  From that  charrette, the USACE                                                               
focused  on three  areas including  Nome, Cape  Spencer and  Cape                                                               
Riley.    As  the  USACE  moved forward  with  its  analysis,  it                                                               
reviewed the existing fleets, including  vessels operating in the                                                               
three locations.  Although significant  vessels use Point Spencer                                                               
and  Cape Riley,  most of  these vessels  are seeking  refuge and                                                               
shelter,  but  are  not  offloading   or  on  loading  goods  and                                                               
supplies.    These vessels  are  able  to perform  their  current                                                               
activities  without  any  additional  improvements.    The  USACE                                                               
understood that a wide-variety of  improvements are being planned                                                               
at Cape Spencer,  but at this time the agency  believes that a US                                                               
Corps of Engineers channel or  breakwater wouldn't really improve                                                               
conditions at that location.  Still,  if Point Spencer were to be                                                               
developed, it could lead to future  needs, he said.  Further, the                                                               
Cape  Riley was  considered as  a potential  spot for  extracting                                                               
minerals, but  the cost  of building  a road  currently outweighs                                                               
the benefits,  or essentially  the time  savings of  bringing the                                                               
goods to Cape Riley versus the Port of Nome, he said.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:24:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  directed attention to  the Nome Proposal  [slide 6],                                                               
noting  the USACE  reviewed the  vessels using  Nome to  bring in                                                               
supplies and fuel oil, as well as to serve oil industry needs.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SEXAUER  said  the   USACE  reviewed  potential  development                                                               
scenarios in the Arctic, noting  that the USACE typically takes a                                                               
very  conservative approach  in  making  any recommendations  for                                                               
infrastructure after reviewing  studies, reports, and activities.                                                               
The USACE  projected three exploratory oil  platforms would occur                                                               
over  a 50-year  timeframe, without  including production,  which                                                               
represented the  low-end for potential development.   This review                                                               
also  envisioned using  Dutch Harbor  for  preseason staging  and                                                               
Nome  during the  season  for restocking  food,  goods, and  crew                                                               
occurring  since  it  would  be  more  efficient  to  do.    This                                                               
illustrated  that other  ports  play a  very  important role,  he                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER pointed  out the oil industry, oil  tankers, and fuel                                                               
tankers  currently use  Nome,  as well  as  smaller vessels  that                                                               
serve the other villages, noting  this constitutes a wide variety                                                               
of uses that could benefit from the proposed facility.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:26:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER reviewed  the Nome Proposal [slide 6].    He said the                                                               
terminology used by  USACE was very important to the  agency.  He                                                               
referred to the  plan as the tentatively selected  plan, since it                                                               
is currently under  review by the public and the  USACE.  He said                                                               
the  plan  will  not  specifically  be  the  one  recommended  to                                                               
Congress, unless and until all of the reviews are completed.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER stated that the  tentatively selected plan includes a                                                               
photo  that depicts  the  existing Nome  Harbor,  with the  lower                                                               
harbor called  the causeway, which  is where goods  are currently                                                               
unloads goods [slide 7].  He  directed attention to the two docks                                                               
visible on the map and stated  that the City of Nome is currently                                                               
pursuing a  third facility  to expand.   The  northern breakwater                                                               
provides protection  to vessels and  a smaller breakwater  at the                                                               
end provides  additional protection  from waves that  wrap around                                                               
from the south and southwest.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  reported that  the City of  Nome calls  the proposed                                                               
2,150 foot extension of the  causeway the "boot" and the causeway                                                               
will allow  trucks access  to load  and offload  [slide 8].   The                                                               
proposed plan  also calls for  a 450-foot  dock that will  lie at                                                               
the foot  of the  boot that  would be  dredged to  a depth  of 28                                                               
feet,  which could  handle the  vast  majority of  vessels.   The                                                               
inner  area  between the  causeway  and  the existing  breakwater                                                               
dredged area  will be  expanded to allow  larger vessels  to turn                                                               
around, he said.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:30:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  asked what size  vessel can use  the 22-28                                                               
feet dredged area.   He further asked how much  depth does an oil                                                               
tanker going  in and  out of  Valdez draw or  a typical  barge or                                                               
research  vessel.   He  remarked  that it  didn't  seem like  the                                                               
deepest harbor.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  acknowledged that  he was correct.   He  deferred to                                                               
Ms. Baker, Port  Director of the Port of Nome  to provide details                                                               
of the types of  vessels.  He said that the  current Port of Nome                                                               
serves vessels with  a 22-foot draft, including  oil tankers that                                                               
offload fuel  and goods and  ocean going barges.   He anticipated                                                               
that under the  proposal, larger tankers will be able  to use the                                                               
port facility.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:31:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN suggested that the  term tankers was a very                                                               
ambiguous  term since  some are  nearly a  quarter-mile long  and                                                               
draw much  more than a 22-foot  draft.  He was  interested in the                                                               
types of vessels  that the proposed dredging of the  Nome port to                                                               
28-feet will allow.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SEXAUER,   generally  speaking,   noted  the   design  would                                                               
accommodate  the  existing  450-foot fuel-carrying  vessels  that                                                               
offload fuel.   Currently these vessels must come in  to the Nome                                                               
port  facility  partially loaded  due  to  the draft  limitation;                                                               
however,  under the  proposal  these vessels  could  be full  and                                                               
still use the dock.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:32:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER referred to an  information paper in members' packets                                                               
that discusses  implementation and lists some  of the preliminary                                                               
cost estimates.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  directed attention to  the fact sheet,  stating that                                                               
the  projected  cost  for the  navigational  features,  including                                                               
breakwaters  and dredging  was $150  million.   He  said that  75                                                               
percent of  the cost  would be  covered by the  US Army  Corps of                                                               
Engineers (USACE)  and 25 percent  by a non-federal sponsor.   At                                                               
this point,  the non-federal sponsor  for the study is  the State                                                               
of  Alaska; however,  the City  of  Nome has  indicated it  fully                                                               
intends to take on the sponsorship  as the project moves into the                                                               
further phases  of the design  and construction.  In  addition to                                                               
the $150  million navigation cost,  an additional cost  for docks                                                               
and facilities is estimated at $61  million for a total cost $212                                                               
million.  He characterized it as being a sizable project.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:34:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER reiterated the costs.   He stated the projected costs                                                               
for  the  general  navigation   features  under  the  tentatively                                                               
selected plan  total $150 million,  with $98  million anticipated                                                               
as the federal share via the  US Army Corps of Engineers (USACE),                                                               
with  the  additional  $52  million  coming  from  a  non-federal                                                               
source.    In response  to  a  question,  he clarified  that  the                                                               
navigational  features  consist of  work  to  the breakwater  and                                                               
dredging  the navigable  areas, which  was the  USACE's allowable                                                               
participation.  The other portions  of the project, including the                                                               
docks, the utilities,  and roadway surfaces are  estimated at $61                                                               
million for a total project cost of $211 million.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:36:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   HUGHES  asked   for  further   clarification  on   the                                                               
federal/non-federal share.  She related  her understanding of the                                                               
federal share of  the $211 million was 75 percent  federal and 25                                                               
percent  non-federal  sponsor.    She suggested  that  the  split                                                               
seemed to be 66 percent federal  and 33 percent non-federal.  She                                                               
asked whether  this will hold  true for  docks or if  the federal                                                               
government will pick up more.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SEXAUER  answered that  there  are  two  parts to  the  cost                                                               
sharing for  the initial construction.   When a project  is first                                                               
constructed, the  costs are  shared at  the 75/25  percent ratio.                                                               
Over  the 30-year  timeframe,  the local  sponsor  must repay  an                                                               
additional 10 percent,  which shifts the total cost  to about $52                                                               
million  over time.   He  recapped  that the  75 percent  federal                                                               
share related to the upfront  cost sharing whereas the 65 percent                                                               
represents the final federal cost sharing.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:37:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ recalled that  he mentioned the community of                                                               
Nome would  participate in some of  the costs.  He  asked whether                                                               
he had  any idea  how much  the community  will request  from the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER answered no.  He  said that it would likely depend on                                                               
how the non-federal share of  funding comes together.  Typically,                                                               
one  basic  entity   will  act  as  the   clearinghouse,  but  he                                                               
envisioned that the City of Nome  would seek state funds, as well                                                               
as funds  from private  investors.   He deferred  to the  City of                                                               
Nome to respond.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:38:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FOSTER directed attention  to a handout just distributed                                                               
entitled, "Port  of Nome" dated  3/8/2015 prepared by  Joy Baker,                                                               
Port Director.   He explained that the vessels listed  on Table 1                                                               
were ones that could use the port.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  related that the  table lists the vessel  draft, but                                                               
an addition  4-6 feet  for safety allowances  must also  be made,                                                               
depending on  the type of vessel.   He explained that  the design                                                               
vessels used  for the study were  the supply vessels used  by the                                                               
oil and  gas industry.  These  vessels can use the  28-foot draft                                                               
and the 450-foot dock, he  said, although some vessels will still                                                               
need to moor out.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:40:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES said  it  seems peculiar  not to  consider                                                               
dredging  the harbor  to accommodate  the  larger US  icebreakers                                                               
[with a  30-foot draft].   She  asked how  much deeper  would the                                                               
harbor need to dredged to accommodate those vessels.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  answered that the  decision involved the  volumes of                                                               
ships and the  number of trips.  He suggested  that the different                                                               
between  dredging  from  22-feet  to 23-feet  will  capture  more                                                               
vessels.   He acknowledged that  the benefits continue  to accrue                                                               
with each additional  foot dredged until it reaches  a point that                                                               
not as  many additional vessels  or trips  will be captured.   At                                                               
that point  the additional  cost does  not outweigh  the benefits                                                               
received in  dredging the additional  depth.  He stated  that the                                                               
USACE recommended the greatest net  benefit, which was determined                                                               
to be the 28-foot depth.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:42:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES  asked  for  further  clarification  since                                                               
vessels using  the infrastructure  use the  polar route,  yet the                                                               
proposed Nome harbor would not accommodate the US icebreakers.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER suggested that the USACE  would defer to the US Coast                                                               
Guard  to  determine  its operational  practices  and  needs  for                                                               
vessels  and services.    He said  that the  US  Coast Guard  has                                                               
indicated each one  of their vessels can go  three months without                                                               
needing  a re-supply,  and whether  these vessels  will need  the                                                               
Nome port  facilities was  questionable to  them.   He recognized                                                               
and  acknowledged   the  importance  of  achieving   the  deepest                                                               
dredging depth;  however, the USACE  will make  its determination                                                               
according to policy compliance as per  the rules set forth by the                                                               
Congress.   While  the ultimate  decision may  change, the  USACE                                                               
will  make  the  recommendation   that  will  pass  muster  using                                                               
established rules.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:45:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  asked for a  ballpark figure of  the costs                                                               
to  dredge the  proposed  Nome  harbor expansion  to  35 feet  in                                                               
depth.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER answered  that it would cost about  $100 million more                                                               
to increase  the dredging  to 35 feet,  noting this  estimate was                                                               
based on preliminary cost estimates of about a year ago.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:45:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  remarked that the challenges  to develop a                                                               
deep water port are not just  driven by the current vessels being                                                               
served, but  that the region  envisions more and more  ships will                                                               
be going through  the Arctic as the ice recedes,  plus Russia and                                                               
other countries  are beginning to  consider Polar routes  to send                                                               
larger and  larger ships through.   He suggested that  one reason                                                               
to consider  a deep  water presence  in Western  and Northwestern                                                               
Alaska isn't just  to serve vessels that  are currently operating                                                               
or to  serve the  communities, but to  address the  future vessel                                                               
needs.   He asked for  further clarification on the  analysis for                                                               
bigger ships and future needs.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER characterized  this project as the  amount of dollars                                                               
that can  be saved for each  vessel trip as compared  to the cost                                                               
of the project.   The goal was to make  the transportation system                                                               
more efficient and more effective.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:48:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  asked how much  would be saved  under this                                                               
proposal.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SEXAUER replied  that it  would depend  on the  vessels, for                                                               
example, those  vessels transiting  Dutch Harbor to  resupply add                                                               
an  800-mile round  trip as  well as  several days  of additional                                                               
travel time.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:48:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN asked  for  further  clarification on  the                                                               
vessels transiting to Dutch Harbor.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  answered that one  assumption used in  this analysis                                                               
considered  that the  oil platforms  would be  doing exploration,                                                               
vessels that traveling to Dutch  Harbor to resupply would be able                                                               
to  make a  much shorter  trip to  Nome to  resupply.   The USACE                                                               
estimated the  cost to go to  Dutch Harbor versus going  to Nome.                                                               
In addition,  the USACE  factored in the  cost of  shipping goods                                                               
and supplies to Nome as compared  to Dutch Harbor.  These factors                                                               
are all considered  when evaluating how much money is  saved.  He                                                               
elaborated  on   the  analysis,  noting  the   USACE  takes  each                                                               
individual  vessel, including  barges  using the  Nome port,  and                                                               
assign an hourly  cost after researching rates in  Alaska and the                                                               
Lower  48.   The analysis  determines how  much each  vessel cost                                                               
savings are throughout  the fleet.  These cost  savings are added                                                               
up to  determine the net amount  saved.  In further  response, he                                                               
said  the average  annual  net benefits  for  all categories  was                                                               
$11.5 million,  the average annual  cost of the project  was $9.2                                                               
million, and the  overall economic savings was  estimated at $2.3                                                               
million per year.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:51:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN   asked  whether   additional  maintenance                                                               
dredging will be necessary for the proposed Nome proposal.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER answered yes, noting  those figures were incorporated                                                               
into the  annualized cost.   He said the assumption  includes the                                                               
anticipated dredging.   In response to  Representative Hughes, he                                                               
agreed that slide 2 depicts the current Nome Harbor.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES  remarked that  compared to  road projects,                                                               
the   proposed  Nome   Port   expansion   project  costs   seemed                                                               
reasonable.  She  asked when the cost benefit  analysis was done,                                                               
whether it was  based on the current growth rate.   She asked for                                                               
the number of days the Arctic  shipping route was available.  She                                                               
commented that  if the  port could handle  larger vessels  it may                                                               
spark additional interest.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:54:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SEXAUER asked  whether her  question  was that  in light  of                                                               
climate change, what rate of growth was assumed.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HUGHES recalled  that  the USACE  estimated the  vessel                                                               
count  for each  extra  foot  of dredging  in  the proposed  port                                                               
expansion.   She  asked how  he the  USACE determines  the vessel                                                               
count and if climate change was  factored in and if the USACE had                                                               
predicted the number  of larger vessels that might  choose to use                                                               
the port  and not just consider  the size of vessels,  as well as                                                               
considering the time savings for the route.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER explained  that the USACE has a  rather stringent set                                                               
of requirements set forth by  the Congress and the administration                                                               
on how the  USACE should conduct its analysis.   He said that the                                                               
rate  of growth  was  based  on the  current  rate  of growth  to                                                               
project future vessels.  The USACE  also considered a flat rate -                                                               
no  increase  in growth  -  as  well  as  a number  of  different                                                               
scenarios.  In  terms of climate change, and how  that plays into                                                               
the  analysis, as  the ice  pack continues  to change,  he stated                                                               
that if  the future  needs for more  depth could  be economically                                                               
justified,  this  project could  be  modified  in the  future  to                                                               
accommodate the vessels.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:56:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HUGHES  asked  whether  the  design  could  accommodate                                                               
deeper dredging in the future.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER suggested  that one limiting factor in  the design of                                                               
this  project was  the dock  structures.   He suggested  that the                                                               
current dock  structures are designed  to go to a  certain depth.                                                               
However,  if the  dock structures  are designed  for a  much more                                                               
significant  depth,  replacement  would  not  be  needed  if  the                                                               
project  included further  dredging.   He acknowledged  that some                                                               
things  can be  incorporated into  project to  plan out  into the                                                               
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:57:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HUGHES  asked for further  clarification on  whether the                                                               
US Army  Corps of Engineers  (USACE) needs to  seek congressional                                                               
approval.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SEXAUER  answered  that the  current  process  includes  the                                                               
remainder  of  review.    He anticipated  the  USACE's  Chief  of                                                               
Engineers will approve the project  sometime early next year.  At                                                               
that  point the  project will  be submitted  to the  Congress for                                                               
consideration   for   authorization   in   the   Water   Resource                                                               
Development Act.   It would next be  authorized for appropriation                                                               
and would  go through the  budget process and would  compete with                                                               
other projects in the US on its merits for funding.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:59:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HUGHES asked him to  predict when it might be authorized                                                               
and when construction would begin.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  did not know.   He suggested that there  is a 30-day                                                               
review,  with an  internal  meeting via  the  Civil Works  Review                                                               
Board, scheduled  in November.   He did  not have a  timeline for                                                               
when the project  might be authorized or when  the Congress might                                                               
appropriate funds, he said.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:00:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ  appreciated the complexity of  the process.                                                               
He asked  whether there was  an opportunity to  consider national                                                               
security  concerns or  that  the USCG  might  like an  icebreaker                                                               
operating in the area as part of the aforementioned formula.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SEXAUER   answered  that  it   would  depend  on   what  the                                                               
administration and the Congress  decided on the authorization and                                                               
appropriation decisions.   He reiterated  that the US  Army Corps                                                               
of Engineers (USACE) was limited  to providing the information in                                                               
accordance with federal rules.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:02:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  remarked that it seemed  the proposal does                                                               
not  take into  account that  the state  hopes the  Nome proposal                                                               
will  provide the  gateway to  the Arctic,  or essentially  a new                                                               
"freeway."   She said that  investing an additional  $100 million                                                               
now  might save  hundreds  of millions  to later  redo  it.   She                                                               
expressed concern  that this project  seemed short sighted.   She                                                               
said when Kodiak began work  on a hydroelectric project at Terror                                                               
Lake over 20  years ago, people thought the  community was "nuts"                                                               
but in 2014  the community reached 99.7  percent renewable power.                                                               
She suggested  that if  an opportunity  exists, the  state should                                                               
look towards the  future.  She appreciated that the  USACE may be                                                               
limited to  certain parameters;  however, she  definitely thought                                                               
long range needs should be considered.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:04:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FOSTER  remarked that  the USACE  and the  community are                                                               
hoping the project will be good  enough to obtain funding, but he                                                               
was  encouraged  to  hear Representative  Stutes  would  like  to                                                               
increase the overall project size.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES agreed that he was correct.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:04:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HUGHES  said  that  the  legislature  is  comprised  of                                                               
visionaries who are  looking to the future of Alaska.   She asked                                                               
for  further  clarification on  any  time  savings for  a  vessel                                                               
coming through  the Arctic  route, for  example, a  vessel coming                                                               
from  Norway.   She  also  thought  the technology  has  improved                                                               
significantly for vessel design and efficiency.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER answered that the time  savings would be 7 to 10 days                                                               
less  time depending  on the  route; however,  most of  those are                                                               
going past  the shores of  Alaska.   The vessels may  travel from                                                               
Russia  to China  or are  traveling from  Norway to  Los Angeles.                                                               
This port facility  won't affect those time savings  but would be                                                               
in  support  of the  vessels  in  case  a  vessel needed  to  get                                                               
repaired.    He commented  that  currently  a number  of  vessels                                                               
anchor  off  inside  Norton  Sound  and at  Port  Clarence.    He                                                               
cautioned  that   the  vessels  traveling  past   Alaska  do  not                                                               
necessarily meet  the design  or purpose of  this port,  but that                                                               
the project  was designed to  improve the commerce for  the area,                                                               
the  commerce  for  resource  extraction,   and  to  provide  for                                                               
emergencies.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:07:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  asked whether any  of the other  ports are                                                               
in naturally deep-water  locations that may not  require the same                                                               
dredging.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER  identified Port  Clarence as  the one  natural deep-                                                               
draft port.   Large ships currently  wait in the area,  but these                                                               
vessels do  not offload or  load goods  or supplies.   He offered                                                               
his belief  that Port Clarence  currently does not  need dredging                                                               
or a breakwater.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:08:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN asked whether  the reason Port Clarence was                                                               
not   selected  as   the   preferred  site,   was   due  to   the                                                               
transportation cost of getting goods  to Port Clarence.  He asked                                                               
whether it would be easier to get the ships into Port Clarence.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SEXAUER acknowledged  Representative  Claman  has raised  an                                                               
important  question,  which was  why  select  Nome and  not  Port                                                               
Clarence.   He  agreed  that the  other  types of  infrastructure                                                               
would be  needed at Port  Clarence, including  access, utilities,                                                               
roads,  housing, water,  fuel, noting  that these  infrastructure                                                               
costs were  exorbitant.  In  fact, if  the project site  was Port                                                               
Clarence, very  little of those  costs would  be borne by  the US                                                               
Army Corps  of Engineers  (USACE).  He  suggested that  the USACE                                                               
would participate  in 75  percent of the  channel costs,  but the                                                               
uplands  facility infrastructure  would need  to be  paid for  by                                                               
someone else.  As things develop,  there will be a potential need                                                               
for a port  or harbor facility, but  not at this time.   In fact,                                                               
he raised this  as being a similar to other  deep draft areas off                                                               
Cape Nome and Cape Golovnin, but  these areas lack road and other                                                               
infrastructure.    Thus  having  a facility  with  the  nexus  of                                                               
existing facilities  made Nome  a natural  spot.   He anticipated                                                               
that the USACE  plans to perform an analysis in  Kotzebue at Cape                                                               
Lawson.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:10:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SEXAUER, in  closing, reiterated that the  proposed Nome port                                                               
expansion project was the USACE's  tentatively selected plan, but                                                               
public  comment and  other  input may  be  incorporated into  the                                                               
final recommendation.   He anticipated that the US  Army Corps of                                                               
Engineers (USACE)  will hold a  public meeting in Nome  in April.                                                               
He highlighted  that this project  began as a group  venture with                                                               
stakeholders identifying the need for  this project.  He welcomed                                                               
questions and comments.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:12:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HUGHES wondered whether there was an executive summary.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SEXAUER  answered  that  the  900-page  report  contains  an                                                               
executive summary.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:13:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DENISE  MICHELS, Mayor,  City of  Nome, stated  that the  City of                                                               
Nome supports  the project.   She  thanked the  US Army  Corps of                                                               
Engineers  (USACE) and  the DOT&PF  for working  with them.   She                                                               
stated that  the City  of Nome  has always  advocated for  a deep                                                               
draft port dredged  to 35 feet and will continue  to advocate for                                                               
it with the  Congress.  She explained that commerce  will be more                                                               
efficient and resource development  could provide benefits to the                                                               
State of  Alaska.  In  addition, this project would  place assets                                                               
for search and rescue and  environmental response.  She cautioned                                                               
that  that  it was  important  for  the  region to  be  prepared,                                                               
emphasizing  that  the  land  and   water  subsistence  was  very                                                               
important  to the  people of  the region.   She  stated that  the                                                               
deeper draft would be beneficial.   She said the city will submit                                                               
comments; however, she  suggested that dredging to  28 feet might                                                               
be phase one and dredging to 35 feet could be phase two.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. MICHELS  highlighted another issue, national  security, since                                                               
every other  icebreaker -  foreign flag -  shuttles crew  to Nome                                                               
while they resupply.   In addition, 1,000  passenger cruise ships                                                               
stop in  Nome.  The city  began tracking vessel traffic  in 1990,                                                               
at a time  when it had 30  dockings.  Last year the  Port of Nome                                                               
had  446 dockings.   She  pointed out  some of  the current  dock                                                               
uses, including  use by the  US Army Corps of  Engineers (USACE),                                                               
oil  companies,  private  sailboats,  as  well  as  yachts  going                                                               
through  the   Northwest  Passage.     She  said   this  proposal                                                               
represents a  good start,  staff has been  taking notes,  and the                                                               
City of Nome shares the same concerns that have been raised.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:17:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOY BAKER,  Port Director, Port  of Nome,  expressed appreciation                                                               
for  all the  work the  US Army  Corps of  Engineers (USACE)  and                                                               
Department of  Transportation &  Public Facilities  (DOT&PF) have                                                               
done in  this report.   She  acknowledged the  amount of  work it                                                               
takes to  produce a  900-page document, noting  the Port  of Nome                                                               
has been  working with the USACE  for the past two  years.  Based                                                               
on statistics and chart graph,  it's possible to see the increase                                                               
in vessel calls at the Port  of Nome; however, actually living in                                                               
Nome  and experiencing  the changes  first hand  provides another                                                               
view.  She has seen the Port  of Nome grow from serving one barge                                                               
for a day or two along with a  half dozen fishing boats to a dock                                                               
that   serves  multiple   barges,  fishing   boats,  recreational                                                               
vessels, research vessels, cruise  ships, oil tankers and barges,                                                               
gravel barges,  construction barges, the  US Coast Guard,  the US                                                               
Navy, and Korean and Canadian icebreakers.   The US Army Corps of                                                               
Engineers (USACE)  expansion in  2006 had a  considerable impact,                                                               
but  the growth,  demand and  need has  continued.   The Port  of                                                               
Nome's  not only  serves  to support  the  local regional  cargo,                                                               
fuel, and  gravel traffic in the  region, but it also  serves the                                                               
Arctic  vessel fleet  that passes  through or  is working  in the                                                               
Chukchi  or the  vessels are  running materials  up and  down the                                                               
coast.   The City  of Nome  resupplies vessels,  facilitates crew                                                               
changes,  and provides  fuel,  staging,  air transportation,  and                                                               
medical facilities.   In fact, the  City of Nome not  only serves                                                               
as the  hub for  the region,  but it  serves as  the hub  for the                                                               
Arctic.   Although these activities  are currently  happening and                                                               
the growth is  visible, she felt confident that  this growth will                                                               
continue  to happen.   In  fact, the  Port of  Nome will  need to                                                               
continue to grow to maintain pace with the demand, she said.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:20:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ asked  whether the  population in  Nome has                                                               
been growing.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MICHAELS  answered yes.   She explained  that a  reality show                                                               
related  to  mining happens  so  Nome  sees  an increase  in  the                                                               
summer.   She  said that  the population  for the  Bering Straits                                                               
region has  also increased  from 3,500 to  3,700.   She commented                                                               
that  this proposal  would afford  more economic  development and                                                               
job opportunities for the region.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:21:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HUGHES asked  whether the  ships traveling  from Europe                                                               
stop  for  fuel  in  Alaska  or   if  they  can  continue  on  to                                                               
California.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BAKER  answered that  the  larger  vessels refuel  in  Dutch                                                               
Harbor, but many  vessels, including US Coast  Guard cutters stop                                                               
in Nome to refuel, resupply, and  change crews.  Further, many of                                                               
the research vessels that work in  the Arctic uses Nome for their                                                               
services and  these vessels  will either do  another tour  in the                                                               
Arctic or  will head south  for the winter.   In response  to Co-                                                               
Chair Hughes,  Ms. Baker  answered that  the 600-700  tankers can                                                               
travel from Europe to California without refueling.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:22:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FOSTER opened public testimony on the Nome proposal.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:23:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF   OTTESEN,  Director,   Division  of   Program  Development,                                                               
Department of  Transportation & Public Facilities  (DOT&PF), said                                                               
that he  has been  involved in the  deep-draft Arctic  port study                                                               
since 2008.   He  offered to provide  information in  response to                                                               
earlier  questions.   He  estimated  that  the approximate  3,500                                                               
vessels  carrying containers  travel  on the  great circle  route                                                               
through the  Aleutians from Asia  to North America are  fueled by                                                               
marine bunker  fuel.   However, these  big ships  do not  need to                                                               
stop in  Alaska since not  one gallon of  bunker fuel is  sold in                                                               
Alaska.  When  big transiting through Bering  Straits will likely                                                               
need to stop would  be during a time of distress.   At that point                                                               
these ships  will probably need  a tug and  a place to  anchor to                                                               
obtain refuge,  which Port Clarence  could provide, he  said, but                                                               
they will not need  a place to tie up, since  at that point these                                                               
ships will need a shipyard for repairs.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. OTTESEN  said that the  targeted need the proposed  Nome port                                                               
facility expansion would  serve was all the  smaller vessels that                                                               
Ms. Baker spoke to earlier that  currently use Nome as their base                                                               
of operation.   In response to Representative  Stutes comments on                                                               
benefit-cost analysis,  he spoke  against that type  of analysis.                                                               
He said  that the benefit-cost  analysis was used by  the federal                                                               
government  by  law  and  in  practice by  the  state,  which  he                                                               
characterized as being the scourge  of "big thinking."  In simple                                                               
terms,  he described  the benefit-cost  analysis  process as  one                                                               
that  looks  at  cost  of  building  something  compared  to  the                                                               
benefits  that  will  be  derived   over  some  period  of  time,                                                               
typically  20  years.    The  process uses  a  discount  rate  to                                                               
discount the  value, so dollars spent  ten years from now  do not                                                               
cost as much due to the discount  rate.  He pointed to the Terror                                                               
Lake  hydroelectric  project  to  illustrate  the  value  of  the                                                               
dollar.   While the  discount rate assumes  a dollar  tomorrow is                                                               
worth  less than  today, which  in economic  theory is  true, the                                                               
benefit cost analysis takes us out  of "big thinking" and puts us                                                               
into "bean counting" and it  often thwarts sound decision making,                                                               
he said.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:26:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. OTTESEN turned to the Panama  Canal project that was built at                                                               
the  turn of  the  last  century [1903],  in  which the  Congress                                                               
authorized the  Panama Canal.   Although the initial plan  was to                                                               
accomplish  the [48  mile] canal  with 1,500  long 150  foot-wide                                                               
channels  to  accommodate  ships,  the  Congress  felt  that  the                                                               
channels were too  wide and too long.  Thus  the Congress limited                                                               
the Panama Canal  to 100 foot-wide, 1000-foot long  channels.  At                                                               
the time,  the largest  ships sailing the  seven seas  were about                                                               
400 feet in  length.  Today, ships are longer  than 1,000 feet so                                                               
the  Panama Canal  is being  widened,  deepened, and  lengthened;                                                               
however, the initial design lasted  100 years since they were not                                                               
so mindful of the benefit-cost analysis.  He remarked that                                                                      
someone had the right idea when the Panama Canal was built.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:27:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FOSTER, after first determining no one wished to                                                                       
testify, closed public testimony on the Nome port expansion.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:28:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Transportation Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:28                                                                 
p.m.                                                                                                                            

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